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Government's new 'Green deal'

627 views 16 replies 12 participants last post by  bert78  
#1 ·
Not sure if anyone has read this yet regarding the government's new 'Green Deal'.

Click here to read full report (Sky News)

Basically they are trying to lower carbon emissions by using more renewable energy (wind farms, etc) in order to control the impact on climate change and use less fossil fuels. Personally, i agree that more forms of renewable energy should be used but i think this will put a massive increase on our gas/electric bills in an already tight financial time. Plus do you think this is another government excuse to chuck more tax on our already over priced fuel and car tax?

Really quite worried for what could happen in the next week if this all goes through. It's already been proven there is no climate change because of our emissions but simply a cycle the earth goes through. I've read many posts so far about people on here having to sell up their pride and joy because of this financial state and would hate to see more go up, i can only see it getting worse though!

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#2 · (Edited by Moderator)
It's already been proven there is no climate change because of our emissions but simply a cycle the earth goes through.
Oh how I wish it was both proven and accepted, but alas it is not.

Climate change will not drive the price of car fuel over the next decade it will be increased demand from places like China and India. There are over one billion cars in the world, but this is expected to double over the next decade or so and we aint making any new oil.
 
#5 ·
personally i think climate change is a very real threat to our world. But i dont think ploughing a lot of money into expensive/unsightly/unreliable wind farms is the way to go. We should be looking at more Nuclear plants and more funding for research into fusion based reactors as this is the way forward for safe, cheap reliable power.
 
#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
personally i think climate change is a very real threat to our world.
Depends how you define "our".
If by our you mean the way in which we humans live, then yes, NATURAL AND UNAVOIDABLE climate change is a real threat to "our" world.

If though you just mean the world's own existence, then no, climate change makes literally no difference to it.

The world has been around slightly longer than what we have and it will be around for a lot longer after we have died out, it doesn't care what we do. We just dress it up as the world's dilemma because then it doesn't sound as though we are being a selfish species.

For us to build arguments based on a few decades worth of readings is like taking a 2 second highlight of a football match and saying that's what happened for the whole game. We simply cannot model, and therefore predict, what the world fancies doing to itself let alone what effect we have on it. Something like (can't remember exactly) 97% of all CO2 occurs naturally. You can do the sums and very quickly realise that what we do as a species doesn't matter. (The UK accounts for say 10% of that 3% and then of that tiny number, only 5% is from cars ... and already we are into mathematically insignificant numbers before we even start talking about thousands of tonnes of pollution.)
 
#6 ·
Is it just me or does it seem that the UK is about the only country in the EU and the World who bothers to follow all the directives/agreement, while evry one else just does what they want after they walk out of the room where these things are deamed up?

And the really funny thing is we are only a little fish so make no real difference what we do (apart form in our pockets)
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I hate to say it but we are going full circle, less than 100 years ago the majority were on the breadline, yet we worked and we managed ot get a decent standard of living meaning being able to house, feed and drive our families about, we ar enow reverting back to when such theings will be reserved for the wealthy upper class
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#7 ·
Completely agree with the research being done russeh. Just a bit pathetic how ordinary working members of public have to folk out for these government ideas. If only they didn't pay billions in aid to other corrupt governments and the layabouts that inhabit most of the land!
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#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
Don't be mixing up the facts though mind. The green deal as it's called is not about raising more money through taxation. It's about reducing carbon emissions mainly from households and businesses.

What the deal will be is private contractors offering uk households and businesses upgrades to improve and reduce their energy consumption. This will be low energy lamps, insulation, solar and pv systems for heating your water etc etc

The contractors will get paid by the energy companies and we pay for these upgrades via installments in our energy bills. Maybe there's going to be tougher car sharing laws being introduced and probably 6 monthly mots for cars like it is in japan. (far too many cars buses and vans chucking out some serious fumes, and I mean the black stuff)

Until it's all revealed this week I can only speculate.
 
#17 ·
Most people don't realise where all there electricity comes from.there is several ways in which it is made all with a part to play. this carbon tax will make it more expensive to produce electricity and may even close down a few power stations, and with nothing to fill the gap in supply and demand there will in the long run be power cuts or we just start importing it from the France. The goverment are pushing ahead with all this and there is just not the generation capacity to fill any shortfalls.