[RedorBlueCar]

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/long-term-tests/volvo/volvo-xc60-long-term-test-review/

Seems like Volvo don't have separate climate control buttons, it's all integrated into the big touch screen. Doesn't sound very safe to me!

 

[Alb]

A reminder that this thread is for discussion of the 2.3 Ecoboost engine only.

If you want to discuss other aspects of the Mk4, that's fine, but raise an appropriate thread to do so

 

[daveyonthemove]

Is this a good place to ask for Tim Williams contact details?

:rofl:

 

[Teescom09]

I find voice control to be generally awful, and its just a pain to try and learn the specific phrases required for stuff.

Prefer buttons.

+1

 

[Corkob]

The tax in Ireland on the new ST will be 750.00. The MK 3 was 570.00

 

[Drunk Coler]

750 damn, least it's not as much as the mk2s but hell, wonder what the megane rs is as a 1.8

 

[Corkob]

Its the same. Its based on carbon emissions. Its gone mad since the new real world emissions test. This has pushed everything up a band and the government has not adjusted the tax accordingly. The old Mustang Ecoboost at 317ps used be in the 750 band. The new Mustang Ecobooat at 296ps now falls into the 1200.00 band despite the drop in power.
By the way in the new ST the boost, oil pressure and oil temp gauges appear on the TFT screen between the speedo and rev counter instead.

 

[BigDave243]

Its the same. Its based on carbon emissions. Its gone mad since the new real world emissions test. This has pushed everything up a band and the government has not adjusted the tax accordingly. The old Mustang Ecoboost at 317ps used be in the 750 band. The new Mustang Ecobooat at 296ps now falls into the 1200.00 band despite the drop in power.
By the way in the new ST the boost, oil pressure and oil temp gauges appear on the TFT screen between the speedo and rev counter instead.

Ive not noticed that in any pics?

 

[Teescom09]

Its the same. Its based on carbon emissions. Its gone mad since the new real world emissions test. This has pushed everything up a band and the government has not adjusted the tax accordingly. The old Mustang Ecoboost at 317ps used be in the 750 band. The new Mustang Ecobooat at 296ps now falls into the 1200.00 band despite the drop in power.
By the way in the new ST the boost, oil pressure and oil temp gauges appear on the TFT screen between the speedo and rev counter instead.

Is that Southern Ireland? The road tax is still based on the old NEDC emissions until next January in the the UK, England, Scotland and Wales at least. That is why the current emission numbers are still the old NEDC but the fuel economy numbers are now WLTP. The CO2 will jump up by around 15% next January, so will the tax. So get your new car this year !!!

Good news about the gauges, although I am really disappointed they are not separate gauges as that means you lose sat nave etc for them, is that progress?

 

[FastEddie]

Soooooo back to the 2.3 Ecoboost...

I see that the same (power) engine is listed as already in use:

280 hp (209 kW) at 5,600 rpm, 310 ft lb (420 Nm) at 3,000 rpm. Application: Ford Explorer, Ford Ranger.

Should be well-proven as a basic unit. But there have been issues, mostly in the RS...

2.3 EcoBoost Engine Problems and Reliability:

The 2.3 EcoBoost is a high-performance turbocharged engine with direct injection, built and tuned for meet sports ambitions and needs for a speed of a driver. As a result, the reliability of many engine components is placed really close to the limits.

The most well-known problem for 2.3L EcoBoost engine became a failed head gasket. Dozens of Ford Focus RS engines had an issue with a leaking head gasket. The issue initially shows white exhaust smoke and/or coolant consumption, but later it features these symptoms: misfiring under load and on cold start; a sweet smell of coolant in the exhaust; engine overheat; loss of cabin heating. The reason was the usage of the wrong head gasket belonged to the Ford Mustang engine. This 2.3l EcoBoost engine has a similar design but the coolant passages are different, which requires head gaskets unique to each engine. Also worth noting is that the Mustang didn't have the problem with coolant leakage through a head gasket.

The power loss of GDI engines:

That problem did not pass by the 2.3L EcoBoost engine. The owners may notice a drop in performance and slightly raised fuel consumption. That happens due to a carbon buildup on the backside of the intake valves and on walls of the intake ports. The soot layer restricts intake airflow and prevents the intake valves from correct fully closing, what aggravates the situation even more. The special carbon cleaning process may be applied to the engine to bring it back to original specs (it also recommended in preventive measures).

 

[Drunk Coler]

Its the same. Its based on carbon emissions. Its gone mad since the new real world emissions test. This has pushed everything up a band and the government has not adjusted the tax accordingly. The old Mustang Ecoboost at 317ps used be in the 750 band. The new Mustang Ecobooat at 296ps now falls into the 1200.00 band despite the drop in power.By the way in the new ST the boost, oil pressure and oil temp gauges appear on the TFT screen between the speedo and rev counter instead.

Our tax bands are absolutely crazy, banging on about how bad diesel is yet the tax is so low compared to petrol.

 

[BigDave243]

The power loss of GDI engines:

That problem did not pass by the 2.3L EcoBoost engine. The owners may notice a drop in performance and slightly raised fuel consumption. That happens due to a carbon buildup on the backside of the intake valves and on walls of the intake ports. The soot layer restricts intake airflow and prevents the intake valves from correct fully closing, what aggravates the situation even more. The special carbon cleaning process may be applied to the engine to bring it back to original specs (it also recommended in preventive measures).

I get a similar issue with my Mini JCW (N14 engine, for those in the know)
Every 30-40k of mileage its recommended to de-coke the intake valves to return lost performance. Costs about £200 for the Mini.

 

[Alb]

The need for de-coking takes me back about half a century :lol:

 

[Teescom09]

Was at Ford booking another car in so took a look at the ST line Focus. Back to square one again. Its just drab and cheap and boring inside. No way is anything of any better quality than the mk 3 and it also doesnt compare dtyle wise. Going to take some persuading myself to get one. It seems im set for odd number models only. Leon Cupra or maybe type R looks far more attractive.

Sorry posted under engine post!

The need for de-coking takes me back about half a century :lol:

Why dont they adopt duel injection like VAG. Port to keep inlet clean, along with direct. Its likely a US thing as VAG tsi arnt dual injection in US for some unknown reason. Solves the problem.

 

[daveyonthemove]

VAG engines suffer from carbon build up due to direct injection.

A company called R-tech (widely regarded as one of the best) offers inlet cleaning at a discount when done with a remap as it is such a common issue on the TFSI engine, and probably others.

 

[Jason Sullivan]

Leon Cupra or maybe type R looks far more attractive.

Go RS mate much better car :yep:

My new RS will here in a few days and can't wait

 

[Corkob]

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/products/performance-cars/focus-st/focus-st.html

This is the detailed press release

 

[Badger]

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/products/performance-cars/focus-st/focus-st.html

This is the detailed press release

It is another move forward mechanically, as has been the case with each focus, the downside is since the mk2 it has looked less hot hatch and more a family hatchback, it may be a better more useable drive than before but the styling is not for me and I will pass on this mk.

 

[BigDave243]

The need for de-coking takes me back about half a century :lol:

Been an issue on the Peugeot and Mini 1.6 turbo engines for a while too.
Something to do with oil vapour? Not entirely sure of the cause, but I understand its an issue on a lot of direct injection turbo charged cars just its more profound on the ones mentioned above.
Happy to be corrected though.

 

[Teescom09]

VAG engines suffer from carbon build up due to direct injection.

A company called R-tech (widely regarded as one of the best) offers inlet cleaning at a discount when done with a remap as it is such a common issue on the TFSI engine, and probably others.

Earlier TSI do, but not the duel injections. At least i have not heard of the problem since they adopted dual injection, that was the whole point of it. They are fitted to my 2.0 TSI but not sure about the smaller engines.

Go RS mate much better car :yep:

My new RS will here in a few days and can't wait

RS what, Ford or Audi?

Unless I could get a Ford RS that was built properly in the first place avoiding recalls, would rather keep my (sorry wifes!) ST3. The Audi is big step up cost wise, I have an M3CP so couldn't justify or afford that.

Been an issue on the Peugeot and Mini 1.6 turbo engines for a while too.
Something to do with oil vapour? Not entirely sure of the cause, but I understand its an issue on a lot of direct injection turbo charged cars just its more profound on the ones mentioned above.
Happy to be corrected though.

The cause is the EGR putting carbon back into the inlet. before direct injection this wasn't a problem as the fuel constantly cleaned the inlet. Now it is just air and exhaust carbon deposits from the EGR. Hence why VAG re-introduced port/inlet injection as well as direct. All 2.0 TSI engines have 8 injectors. Apart from US for some reason.

Fuel Economy = 37mpg which will be wltp, but estimated. Thats about par for the course, pretty much bang on with the competition. GTi Comp dropped from about 43.5 NEDC to its current 37.7 wltp (DSG)