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For some time now, I've been struggling to put my finger on why I dislike some lowered cars. This morning, I finally sussed it. It's all to do with radii. There is a natural correlation t'wixt wheel and arch that dramatically alters the look of the car, the 'rightness' of its stance. Someone posted a pic of their Fiesta ST which had been lowered, and it just looked like the suspension was
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I've decided that the tyre and arch radii should never intersect, it causes the car to sit somewhat uncomfortably:



This, for example, has the best stance I've ever seen:



and compare the relationship between tyre and arch:



I think cars are all about balance and contrast. Certain things just don't 'work' to my mind. Dark rims on a dark car - especially black - look odd as you lose all the detail and texture of the wheel. In some cases it looks like the car has old steel wheels on it from any distance. Very odd. I don't like the 'black' xenons on the grey ST, but I love them on the EO and white STs.
 

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I agree with you about the lowering Gav. that fiesta looks pants imo. must be a nightmare to drive.
here in NI the police would pull a car like that every time they see it, cause it looks like the owner is gun running or has a dead body in the boot
 

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It often amazes me that some people stand back and think, "Yeah, that looks mint." Some things just look truly horrendous.
 

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I'm not a fan of cars which look 'slammed' to the floor either.

It's a bit hard to tell with that Fiesta because the black wheels just lose themselves in what's left of the arches
 

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think its depends on the car to be honest .. sts look better lowered because its not too low , but all these saxos that are on there bums and the rear wheels are into the arches just look
and the ride must be awful
 

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A general rule of thumb for handling and stance when it comes to lowering is no more than -35mm. More than this compromises not only the ride/handling but more importantly the dampers.
 

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I'm sorry to be the opposite guys but I really like the look of that Fiesta ST. Standard Fiesta STs are far too high. I like the look of this one. The black wheels will make them hide under the arches more though.
On some cars though I do agree, especially them saxos on standard rims and slammed so much that the skirts floor a few mm off the floor.
Years ago I had a fiesta Si that I spent(wasted) to much money on a car that wasn't very tuneable. I lowered it 60mm all round at first but it scraped alot and cut into my tyres on full lock. The ride was also far too hard and the cd player jumped all the time. It was so hard it snapped a strut brace. It handled well but you'd never drive it fast because you'd be so scared of scraping the deck or it bottoming out on a bump at speed which would bang so loud it would make you jump, make you think you've broken something, throw you off course and make you crash. It would have been great on track though. In the end after it cut up a pair of front toyos I swapped it for easier to live with 35mm springs.
I'm so glad these days we have eibachs around which make springs that give you a subtle lowered look, better handling whilst retaining decent ride comfort.
 

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Boovy, you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. I think the Fiesta looks 'wrong'. The standard Fiesta may sit higher but then Ford specialists spent hundreds of hours fettling the suspension and handling to make it drive right (which as you've discovered is often a compromise between firmness and compliancy).

Listening to you describing your Fiesta, I can tell you it didn't handle well at all. In fact, it was appalling. Suspension isn't just about "...it doesn't roll when I tip it into a corner..", it's far more than that. You had just one element (firmness) which compromised every other element (ride, speed etc).

Don't get me wrong, lowering can be good. But my point was specifically about the way the car sits and to my eyes the Fiesta just looks wrong. It's being asked to ride in a way it was never designed for.
 

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I think lowering can look good on the right car, but I agree with Gav's point, the radii of the arch and wheel should never intersect, everything in moderation.
 

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QUOTE(Gav @ 27 Feb 2010, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For some time now, I've been struggling to put my finger on why I dislike some lowered cars. This morning, I finally sussed it. It's all to do with radii. There is a natural correlation t'wixt wheel and arch that dramatically alters the look of the car, the 'rightness' of its stance. Someone posted a pic of their Fiesta ST which had been lowered, and it just looked like the suspension was
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I've decided that the tyre and arch radii should never intersect, it causes the car to sit somewhat uncomfortably:



This, for example, has the best stance I've ever seen:



and compare the relationship between tyre and arch:



I think cars are all about balance and contrast. Certain things just don't 'work' to my mind. Dark rims on a dark car - especially black - look odd as you lose all the detail and texture of the wheel. In some cases it looks like the car has old steel wheels on it from any distance. Very odd. I don't like the 'black' xenons on the grey ST, but I love them on the EO and white STs.

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Nice how you pick out a Fiesta ST worth about £7 - 8k thats been done aftermarket on a budget compared to the BMW that is put up next to it that costs god knows what and the lowering is standard!!!!
 

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Storm, you miss the point. The point isn't what car it is, it's the relationship between the radius of the tyre and the radius of the arch.

I can cut out the arches and anonymize the cars if that helps you?

Kevin > did you just have a smiley-spasm on the keyboard or where you going to contribute something?

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OK, for the bears of very little brain, here's a picture of a Z4 M that looks rubbish because it's too low (not to mention all the stuck-on chav tat):



Here's one of a Fiesta ST that's not lowered which looks like an off-roader:

 

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QUOTE(Gav @ 27 Feb 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Storm, you miss the point. The point isn't what car it is, it's the relationship between the radius of the tyre and the radius of the arch.

I can see that, but its not really the right comparison using that Fiesta and a BMW worth so much more... the quality is sooo much different!!
 

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QUOTE(Gav @ 27 Feb 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kevin > did you just have a smiley-spasm on the keyboard or where you going to contribute something?

OK, for the bears of very little brain...

Seriously Gav... if you can't be polite to people then knock the stupid comments on the head please....
 

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QUOTE(Storm @ 27 Feb 2010, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can see that, but its not really the right comparison using that Fiesta and a BMW worth so much more... the quality is sooo much different!!
Storm, ignore the cars. I can't really put it any more simply than that.

QUOTE(Storm @ 27 Feb 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seriously Gav... if you can't be polite to people then knock the stupid comments on the head please....
My apologies, I didn't spot that you'd been made Admin.
 

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I don't like the BMW thats been lowered, but from the look of it and the fiesta, they are both extreme examples of lowered cars. Thats just my opinion, but both owners obviously think they look great.
Mines got adjustable coil overs and mines set pretty much the same hight as it did on just eibachs, for one i like the look and also think it handles so much better on our potholed roads.
 

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QUOTE(PHILJB @ 27 Feb 2010, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't like the BMW thats been lowered, but from the look of it and the fiesta, they are both extreme examples of lowered cars. Thats just my opinion, but both owners obviously think they look great.
Mines got adjustable coil overs and mines set pretty much the same hight as it did on just eibachs, for one i like the look and also think it handles so much better on our potholed roads.
Yours looks bang-on Phil.
 
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