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I had a little trip over to see Adam today at The Custom Touch, 10 minutes after arrival I drove away with a Torque mount on the car. What can I say, it changes the car dramatically.

The throttle response is sharper, this make the car easier to drive quickly as the throttle is always available for little corrections etc. The gearbox feels far sharper, much easier, so faster selection, and the car feels smoother on change up and down as the engine isnt flapping around the bay like a beached fish.

The vibration, I like personally, makes the car feel a little less like a shopper and a little more like a hardcore machine, its not harsh or unpleasant, just there

I would mark it as an essential mod!

For £ for £ changes to your car, this one cant be beaten
 

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QUOTE(stevie b asbo @ 27 Nov 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Anywere in the yorkshire area were can get one fitted would make a nice crimbo pressie


If you have access to a ramp or even axle stands, its a 5 minute job, your local mechanic could do it for you for next to nothing
 

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QUOTE(Mick @ 27 Nov 2009, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think this will be the next thing on the to do list.

The only thing I'm a bit worried about is with the extra vibration it may make the million and one rattles my car has worse!


I doubt it would as it only happens at idle, it really isnt harsh, you just know its there
 

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Got to agree with Si. He's spot on. It is like a new car. Having read all the posts about this mod over the last few months, some like it, some not so keen, I thought I would try one even though I was a bit sceptical of the results. If I didn't like it I could always sell it, buts it's definitly staying on.

I think the transformation is incredible for such a small part. The vibrations are not like a 'buzzing' that you hear but more that you feel. Definitly recommended.

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Will the vibration cause long term damage to the engine, gearbox, chassis, Etc.

IMO surely the standard jobbies reduce idle vibration for a reason other than just comfort. IMO they would be ok on a track car which is used once or twice a month but for a car which is used several times a day would it be a wise decision? This is only my opinion folks,
 

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It is impossible to know if this part will cause long term damage on other mounts or not, we could only speculate on it and whether Shaggy's mount failure was related.

Without a doubt though the risk is certainly there. If the momentum of the engine not absorbed by lower mount it has to be absorbed elsewhere.
 

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QUOTE(wabbit1 @ 27 Nov 2009, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Will the vibration cause long term damage to the engine, gearbox, chassis, Etc.

IMO surely the standard jobbies reduce idle vibration for a reason other than just comfort. IMO they would be ok on a track car which is used once or twice a month but for a car which is used several times a day would it be a wise decision? This is only my opinion folks,


Looking at it logically it will reduce the torsional stress on the mounts to have less movement, both compressive and extending

It should have no effect whatsoever on the chasis and in terms of the drive train well it will give more stable forces.

The only reason the original mount was so soft is to reduce vibration through the cabin

It is still nowhere near track tight, its just a little more edgy

Try one and see
 

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QUOTE(Si @ 27 Nov 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Looking at it logically it will reduce the torsional stress on the mounts to have less movement, both compressive and extending

It should have no effect whatsoever on the chasis and in terms of the drive train well it will give more stable forces.

With all due respect this is incorrect.

It is an empirical law of physics that energy of closed system remains constant. It is a fact that softer mount will absorb more energy by converting it to heat. Energy now unabsorbed has to be dissipated elsewhere. Some of it will be passed on to the chassis, some to top mounts and some will be used by the engine internally thus increasing useful output. How much goes where is impossible to say without taking measurements.

The harder mount does reduce amplitude of engine vibration on top mounts but it does increase the energy passed onto them. If that energy is enough to destroy them is impossible to say without testing. You could x-ray yours for structure changes before and after for definitive verdict
 

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[quote name='vladSTer' date='28 Nov 2009, 12:17 AM' post='619895']
With all due respect this is incorrect.

It is an empirical law of physics that energy of closed system remains constant. It is a fact that softer mount will absorb more energy by converting it to heat. Energy now unabsorbed has to be dissipated elsewhere. Some of it will be passed on to the chassis, some to top mounts and some will be used by the engine internally thus increasing useful output. How much goes where is impossible to say without taking measurements.

The harder mount does reduce amplitude of engine vibration on top mounts but it does increase the energy passed onto them. If that energy is enough to destroy them is impossible to say without testing. You could x-ray yours for structure changes before and after for definitive verdict

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QUOTE(vladSTer @ 28 Nov 2009, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>With all due respect this is incorrect.

It is an empirical law of physics that energy of closed system remains constant. It is a fact that softer mount will absorb more energy by converting it to heat. Energy now unabsorbed has to be dissipated elsewhere. Some of it will be passed on to the chassis, some to top mounts and some will be used by the engine internally thus increasing useful output. How much goes where is impossible to say without taking measurements.

The harder mount does reduce amplitude of engine vibration on top mounts but it does increase the energy passed onto them. If that energy is enough to destroy them is impossible to say without testing. You could x-ray yours for structure changes before and after for definitive verdict


Very true if we were talking about a closed system, however, we are not.

The system is open in so far as the drive train now clearly takes up the the previously wasted energy evidenced by the sharper response. As for the softer mount dissipating as heat, this is not the case or if it were looking at the mount and indeed feeling it after removal the energy involved would be v v v small.
 
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