I went from a VXR to an ST and am now on my second. They are nice but I would not go back.
St To Astra Vxr?????
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Mate, I`ve also owned both ( the ST before the VXR).
Both are good cars with pros and cons (as with everything in life).
The comparison is for standard v standard, and with this in mind, the Astra feels a bit sharper; all round if I`m honest, and don`t believe all this "won`t handle" rubbish, as it will.
It isn`t, however, as solid in the bends as the ST, and the quality is definitely better on the ST, both inside and out. The Astra also had an odd trait of feeling a touch flat on acceleration here and there, but as it didn`t do it all the time, I wonder if there was an intermittent problem with mine ? It was as though they`d tried to torque-limit in the lower gears, as we know the ST does, and made a
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job of it. With the ST, you know it limits torque in the lower gears, but it`s very progressive, so never feels problematic.
In a nutshell, they were both good cars; either of which you`d probably be happy with, and I don`t know if it`s because I tuned it, but the ST is the only one I`d buy again (as I have neither at the moment)...........so that`s probably the best indicator of all of which I prefer.
Hope this helps mate..........
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Both are good cars with pros and cons (as with everything in life).
The comparison is for standard v standard, and with this in mind, the Astra feels a bit sharper; all round if I`m honest, and don`t believe all this "won`t handle" rubbish, as it will.
It isn`t, however, as solid in the bends as the ST, and the quality is definitely better on the ST, both inside and out. The Astra also had an odd trait of feeling a touch flat on acceleration here and there, but as it didn`t do it all the time, I wonder if there was an intermittent problem with mine ? It was as though they`d tried to torque-limit in the lower gears, as we know the ST does, and made a
In a nutshell, they were both good cars; either of which you`d probably be happy with, and I don`t know if it`s because I tuned it, but the ST is the only one I`d buy again (as I have neither at the moment)...........so that`s probably the best indicator of all of which I prefer.
Hope this helps mate..........
I have not owned both, just the ST.
However, before looking for my last ST, I drove a VXR and went through them both with a fine toothcomb!
The differences I found were as follows:
The ST was a smoother ride where as the VXR seemed somewhat hardened. Even with Eibachs on the ST now, it rides SO smoothly!
I found the interior ergonomically sound in the ST whereas the VXR came across as "plasticy and cheap".
The performance, well, they seemed fairly equal to be honest. The VXR seemed like a car that HAD to be driven fast every time you got in it, whereas the ST feels so much more relaxed but potent when you need it!!!
Overall, the ST seemed so much better value for money with what it could offer.... and it won (obviously!!)
Just my opinion!
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However, before looking for my last ST, I drove a VXR and went through them both with a fine toothcomb!
The differences I found were as follows:
The ST was a smoother ride where as the VXR seemed somewhat hardened. Even with Eibachs on the ST now, it rides SO smoothly!
I found the interior ergonomically sound in the ST whereas the VXR came across as "plasticy and cheap".
The performance, well, they seemed fairly equal to be honest. The VXR seemed like a car that HAD to be driven fast every time you got in it, whereas the ST feels so much more relaxed but potent when you need it!!!
Overall, the ST seemed so much better value for money with what it could offer.... and it won (obviously!!)
Just my opinion!
QUOTE(Trist @ 3 Dec 2009, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've just come from a Stage 1 tuned VXR to a ST.
The only thing I miss from the VXR is the interior build quality and the styling. The ST is a better all rounder. ST puts a smile on my face all the time.
I found the build quality if the Astra pretty rubbish to be honest. Granted on the ST, as soon as you go south of the heater controls it goes a bit... erm... rubbish and plasticky, but overall the build quality is streets ahead of the Astra
The exterior styling of the Astra is good though. Especially in Blue
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The only thing I miss from the VXR is the interior build quality and the styling. The ST is a better all rounder. ST puts a smile on my face all the time.
I found the build quality if the Astra pretty rubbish to be honest. Granted on the ST, as soon as you go south of the heater controls it goes a bit... erm... rubbish and plasticky, but overall the build quality is streets ahead of the Astra
The exterior styling of the Astra is good though. Especially in Blue
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QUOTE(Simo @ 3 Dec 2009, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I found the build quality if the Astra pretty rubbish to be honest. Granted on the ST, as soon as you go south of the heater controls it goes a bit... erm... rubbish and plasticky, but overall the build quality is streets ahead of the Astra
The exterior styling of the Astra is good though. Especially in Blue
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I find the dash and the centre console far better in the ST than the VXR. It's just the door panels and the rear panels rattle a lot more compared to the VXR. But have managed to fix it with dynamat.
I had a Arden blue one
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But ST all the way
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The exterior styling of the Astra is good though. Especially in Blue
I find the dash and the centre console far better in the ST than the VXR. It's just the door panels and the rear panels rattle a lot more compared to the VXR. But have managed to fix it with dynamat.
I had a Arden blue one
But ST all the way
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QUOTE(Trist @ 3 Dec 2009, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I find the dash and the centre console far better in the ST than the VXR. It's just the door panels and the rear panels rattle a lot more compared to the VXR. But have managed to fix it with dynamat.
I had a Arden blue one
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But ST all the way
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Don't get me started on rattles
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I had a Arden blue one
But ST all the way
Don't get me started on rattles
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QUOTE(Simo @ 3 Dec 2009, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't get me started on rattles
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haha, Dynamat = no rattles
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haha, Dynamat = no rattles
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QUOTE(Trist @ 3 Dec 2009, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>haha, Dynamat = no rattles
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You need to do mine for me. I will even pay for the dynamat
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You need to do mine for me. I will even pay for the dynamat
QUOTE(MatST-3 @ 3 Dec 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hi all
well i might be in the market again soon to buy a new car as mine is still touch and go after it got stolen the cars that im looking at are the new shape focus st and the limited edition astra vxracing has any 1 on here changed from an st to a vxr or changed from a vxr to an st if so whats ure thoughts on the astra is it as good as the st or better or worse ect
thanks
hard to call better or worse - for a start you will get biased opinions on any forum, the majority will say st as thats what they own. vice versa on a diff forum.
QUOTE(Storm @ 3 Dec 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have not owned both, just the ST.
However, before looking for my last ST, I drove a VXR and went through them both with a fine toothcomb!
The differences I found were as follows:
The ST was a smoother ride where as the VXR seemed somewhat hardened. Even with Eibachs on the ST now, it rides SO smoothly!
I found the interior ergonomically sound in the ST whereas the VXR came across as "plasticy and cheap".
The performance, well, they seemed fairly equal to be honest. The VXR seemed like a car that HAD to be driven fast every time you got in it, whereas the ST feels so much more relaxed but potent when you need it!!!
Overall, the ST seemed so much better value for money with what it could offer.... and it won (obviously!!)
Just my opinion!
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vxr doesnt have to be driven fast at all. i can happily potter round all the time with switchable map (50% throttle to 100% throttle.) very easy to drive slowly etc
QUOTE(vladSTer @ 3 Dec 2009, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Depends what you want from a car. They look good to look at but feel a bit crude inside. In standard form VXR feels a little sharper then the ST in lower gears, but not as good for motorway cruising, no puff at all in 6th gear. The engine on the ST is a lot more flexible.
Once you start tuning the VXR engine you are in a world of pain with the chassis. It is pretty much on the limit in standard form. With more power (295bhp) the car does not handle at all, understeer is overwhelming. There was so much to hate about particular 888 295bhp conversion that i don't even know where to begin.
plenty puff in 6th ......
mine aint crude inside at all .....
as for the chassis comment its laughable, next youll say clarkson was right and wasnt driving a vxr with sri running gear. Car handles fine, even better with eibachs n rarb, i have no issues in corners at high speeds whatsoever, as trist says its like my old typeR unless you think they dont handle well either???
QUOTE(MatST-3 @ 3 Dec 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thanks for all the replys what are the vxrs like on the tuning side is there not as much potential as with the st i know the handling not as good on the vxr what sort of power can u get from the vxr?
power - 300bhp with map turbo back and cooler - hybrids etc and garrets all running 330 - 360 and further. regal re your men for that.
QUOTE(B_H100 @ 3 Dec 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a ST, am about to get my second. I looked at the vxr, but the whole vauxhall thing put me off. They all look similar inside, cheap looking even with the recaros. In addition, the astra looks dated whereby the new ST doesn't.
As for tuning, I have a mate who is running a 340 bhp vxr with no reliability issues, so the potential is there.
agreed 340 no issues
QUOTE(Foz @ 4 Dec 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Tuning a VXR would cost you more money than with the ST.
aint that the truth!!!!
well i might be in the market again soon to buy a new car as mine is still touch and go after it got stolen the cars that im looking at are the new shape focus st and the limited edition astra vxracing has any 1 on here changed from an st to a vxr or changed from a vxr to an st if so whats ure thoughts on the astra is it as good as the st or better or worse ect
thanks
hard to call better or worse - for a start you will get biased opinions on any forum, the majority will say st as thats what they own. vice versa on a diff forum.
QUOTE(Storm @ 3 Dec 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have not owned both, just the ST.
However, before looking for my last ST, I drove a VXR and went through them both with a fine toothcomb!
The differences I found were as follows:
The ST was a smoother ride where as the VXR seemed somewhat hardened. Even with Eibachs on the ST now, it rides SO smoothly!
I found the interior ergonomically sound in the ST whereas the VXR came across as "plasticy and cheap".
The performance, well, they seemed fairly equal to be honest. The VXR seemed like a car that HAD to be driven fast every time you got in it, whereas the ST feels so much more relaxed but potent when you need it!!!
Overall, the ST seemed so much better value for money with what it could offer.... and it won (obviously!!)
Just my opinion!
vxr doesnt have to be driven fast at all. i can happily potter round all the time with switchable map (50% throttle to 100% throttle.) very easy to drive slowly etc
QUOTE(vladSTer @ 3 Dec 2009, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Depends what you want from a car. They look good to look at but feel a bit crude inside. In standard form VXR feels a little sharper then the ST in lower gears, but not as good for motorway cruising, no puff at all in 6th gear. The engine on the ST is a lot more flexible.
Once you start tuning the VXR engine you are in a world of pain with the chassis. It is pretty much on the limit in standard form. With more power (295bhp) the car does not handle at all, understeer is overwhelming. There was so much to hate about particular 888 295bhp conversion that i don't even know where to begin.
plenty puff in 6th ......
mine aint crude inside at all .....
as for the chassis comment its laughable, next youll say clarkson was right and wasnt driving a vxr with sri running gear. Car handles fine, even better with eibachs n rarb, i have no issues in corners at high speeds whatsoever, as trist says its like my old typeR unless you think they dont handle well either???
QUOTE(MatST-3 @ 3 Dec 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thanks for all the replys what are the vxrs like on the tuning side is there not as much potential as with the st i know the handling not as good on the vxr what sort of power can u get from the vxr?
power - 300bhp with map turbo back and cooler - hybrids etc and garrets all running 330 - 360 and further. regal re your men for that.
QUOTE(B_H100 @ 3 Dec 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a ST, am about to get my second. I looked at the vxr, but the whole vauxhall thing put me off. They all look similar inside, cheap looking even with the recaros. In addition, the astra looks dated whereby the new ST doesn't.
As for tuning, I have a mate who is running a 340 bhp vxr with no reliability issues, so the potential is there.
agreed 340 no issues
QUOTE(Foz @ 4 Dec 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Tuning a VXR would cost you more money than with the ST.
aint that the truth!!!!
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