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Has anyone else found that the ST is very poor in snowy and icy conditions. I live in Shetland and we have had tons of the white stuff in the last week, even the main roads were covered. The front end of mine was sliding all over the place and my house is at the end of a single track raod with a steep hill to get out. Most other cars (and there are only 6 other houses) had little or no trouble getting up the slope, mine would start spinning out about half way up. As a point to note I do not have winter tyres on it and i know the fat tyres are not as good in snow as skinny ones, but I've had other cars with similar tyres and they haven't been as bad.
 

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Mines was perfect, Never got stuck once. I didn't need to go up steep slopes but i could guess the st would start spinning as would any other car, i suppose it comes down to the size of the tires.
 

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I too find the ST shocking in snow as I live in a area that is nothing but hill's and could get my car up most of them with out a lot of spinning even in third gear.

I think it's to do with the tyre size and tread pattern (mine being Falken 452's) as smaller cars just breezed past without problem's and the works Transit was fine also.
 

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It does to a certain degree but on the steeper inclines it is pretty much useless and makes a horrendous noise.
 

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I can't say that I have had any major problems yes the wheels will spin a little bit but nothing to get worried at all. In the 4 years I have owned the car I have yet to get stuck anywhere and we do get a lot of snow every year as well.
 

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The handbook recommends turning the ESP off in snow. Mine was not too bad, but I'm guessing you might have had more snow where you are than down here.
 

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Mine was dreadful, again with FK452s on the front. ESP on or off, any gear you wanted, any revs you wanted, all just produced burning rubber smells and no movement. Living in a very hilly area, this was part disaster part victory for me as it meant I couldn't get into work!! Did find it fairly embarassing though having to stash the car in random places (ended up being snowed out from home) as 0.9 Pandas etc went passed no troubles whatsoever.
 

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Didn't have any problems until I managed to ground myself on some ice under some snow when parking up.

Turn ESP off, first gear, drive with the clutch, no accelerator until clear road, jobs a good 'un.

Too many people put their foot down on the accelerator and complain about the car sliding around too much.

I drove on 2" of fresh snow as well as sheet ice with little problem.
 

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QUOTE(yoinkster @ 5 Feb 2010, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mine was dreadful, again with FK452s on the front. ESP on or off, any gear you wanted, any revs you wanted, all just produced burning rubber smells and no movement. Living in a very hilly area, this was part disaster part victory for me as it meant I couldn't get into work!! Did find it fairly embarassing though having to stash the car in random places (ended up being snowed out from home) as 0.9 Pandas etc went passed no troubles whatsoever.

cant beat the panda 4x4 in snow


i drove my
for the 1st time in snow last week, found about the same as my old normal focus, although i didnt realise you can set off in 3rd off the clutch, prob doesnt do it any good at all but it saved me a few times when it got a bit hairy! Least its not as bad as 5 series BMW's, our directors always abandon their in the work car park and car swap with their wives.....
oh and auto boxes in snow
 

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QUOTE(Dabhand16 @ 5 Feb 2010, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The handbook recommends turning the ESP off in snow. Mine was not too bad, but I'm guessing you might have had more snow where you are than down here.

I did think the ESP was interferring a bit too much. wheels start spinning, so it cuts the power and then you need to try and get going again. On a steep snowy hill that's nearly impossible and so what happens the wheels just start spinning again - Catch 22. On the flat bit though I don't think I'd fancy trying to drive it without the ESP.

Thanks everyone for your comments. At least I know it's not just me. Lots of people up here drive Toyota Yaris's and I've been taking the
by offering them an elastic band as a spare engine and saying if your accelerator pedal sticks would you actually notice. Now they're all laughing at me.
 

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QUOTE(Andrewg @ 8 Feb 2010, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I did think the ESP was interferring a bit too much. wheels start spinning, so it cuts the power and then you need to try and get going again. On a steep snowy hill that's nearly impossible and so what happens the wheels just start spinning again - Catch 22. On the flat bit though I don't think I'd fancy trying to drive it without the ESP.

Thanks everyone for your comments. At least I know it's not just me. Lots of people up here drive Toyota Yaris's and I've been taking the
by offering them an elastic band as a spare engine and saying if your accelerator pedal sticks would you actually notice. Now they're all laughing at me.

You are confusing ESP with Traction Control.
 

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I am not sure how you are all driving, someone mentioned 1st gear etc....

Select 2nd gear and with no throttle gently release the clutch until the car begins to move, even more gently allow the clutch fully out, still no throttle, if this doesnt work try third, to speed up change up only on what the engine takes and to slow down change down use the throttle in no gear lower than third pref 4th. The moment you touch the throttle with any more than the lightest of touches the wheels will spin and all is lost. Consider that getting going traction is higher than stopping traction, you will slide and slip, go with it do what you would usually do to correct a slide but do it slowly, at the same rate as the slide the correction will be equally as slow, oh and brakes turn you into a bomb ie unguided rather than a missile.

I watched a very nice ML 55 come tanking past me in the snow and ice when it was down, I was doing 20mph in a 4wd, he was doing 40, on went his brakelights and 2 plus tons of 4wd went straight through the entrance to the roundabout, straight up the paved edge of the roundabout, coming to rest in the middle with steam and stuff billowing out. I stopped to offer assistance but fear that the fact I couldn't speak as I was laughing so much caused the guy to tell me it was all fine lol.
 

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QUOTE(Si @ 8 Feb 2010, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am not sure how you are all driving, someone mentioned 1st gear etc....

Select 2nd gear and with no throttle gently release the clutch until the car begins to move

There is no reason to start in second unless you can't start in first which if you can control your clutch properly shouldn't be a problem in 99% of cases.
 

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QUOTE(jamest1987 @ 8 Feb 2010, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There is no reason to start in second unless you can't start in first which if you can control your clutch properly shouldn't be a problem in 99% of cases.

Actually there is a very good reason to start in 2nd, it is to do with throttle response and control when in thick snow or icy surfaces. You need to slow down the response between the right foot and the wheels as far as possible. If you cant start in first then you dig in or shine up which makes starting in second that much harder easier just to rock off in 2nd. I will forgive your youth, not many winters behind the wheel
 

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QUOTE(Si @ 8 Feb 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Actually there is a very good reason to start in 2nd, it is to do with throttle response and control when in thick snow or icy surfaces. You need to slow down the response between the right foot and the wheels as far as possible. If you cant start in first then you dig in or shine up which makes starting in second that much harder easier just to rock off in 2nd. I will forgive your youth, not many winters behind the wheel


Agreed.

My wife is currently undergoing advanced driver training (to be a driving instructor), and second gear is the way to go.

Second gear is also now officially advocated when moving off on a downward slope. Eco-friendly, green, sandal wearing driving and all that jazz.......

On a related note, my wife is now officially the worst passenger IN THE WORLD.

Fact.

 

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QUOTE(choccymonster @ 8 Feb 2010, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>On a related note, my wife is now officially the worst passenger IN THE WORLD.

Fact.



Has she vomited in the footwell of your 996 Turbo? Mine has lol She said slow down or I will be sick, I didnt, she did.
 
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