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Hello Forum,

My 2012 Ford Focus ST Estate has a cylinder 2 compression issue and the car is sat in a garage. The garage has said it doesn't fancy taking on the repair work. It could be a valve, or melted piston, that's the working assumption.

It is black and in lovely condition. Car has done 70,000 miles. Before I purchased the car in August 2019, the previous owner had it mapped (Mountune?) whatever that means. Me and the wife are not heavy right footers and the car was purchased for it's looks and not performance.

I have been offered 4k from one of these online 'We buy a faulty car companies' and don't really know what to do. I guess if it was running perfectly the car (in today's 2nd hand market) is still worth £10k, which is what I bought it for.

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The nickname for the Mk3 2.0L ST engine is Ecoboom for a reason. Ringland/piston failure isn't uncommon.

It's a dilemma as the car is worth more than it's 'worth' i.e. £4k + £3.5k (in repairs) is less than the £10k resale if it was fixed (although that figure may be a bit optimistic for a 12 plate with 70k on the clock) plus this doesn't take account of what you paid to purchase it initially, so you won't necessarily recoup your total outlay, but it may be an option.

A Mountune map is a recalibration of the ECU to provide improved performance typically this will be MP275 (usually there will be a cast crossover pipe & K+N air-filter to accompany the map) which didn't affect the Ford warranty, or MR300 if there is additional hardware (such as sports cat, exhaust & intercooler).

1). Dreamscience can forge the original engine (new pistons, rods, shell bearings, head gasket, head studs, oil pump, water pump, aux belt) for circa £3.5k fitted, which will give it a new lease of life and provides potential for future mods. However, it won't address the valve issue if they're damaged. Perhaps contact DS & have a chat about that aspect.

2). For similar money get a replacement engine (via eBay or Pumaspeed direct) for circa. £2.7k + fitting, oil, filter etc.

3). Alternatively, find another garage that is prepared to do the diagnostic/repair work (this may appear to be the cheaper option in the short term, to get it running & perhaps sell it on) but as there's no indication where you're based, it's difficult to make any recommendations.
 

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The sound of your top line says they just don't want to do it as they just don't or they are not experienced to do it.

There are many places that will do the job so a ring around for prices then go from there on if you want to fix or flog the car.
 

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I have contacted quite a few garages / engine specialists in the Bristol Area...some just don't want to touch it (they are simply happy with 8 services and 8 mot's on a daily basis) and others lead times are extensive and/or not giving any idea of repair costs. It's a bloody nightmare knowing whether it's worth it...
 

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Have you thought of trying outside bristol? I've been to them kinda places and last visit was meant to be a specialist but seems to not (even with their good rep on here).

Many like easy jobs, have you though of a engine change? which might easier for the lazy mechanics.
 

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Does anyone know a reliable engine specialist in the South West? At this moment in time, I'm reluctantly swaying towards selling her to this company offering £4k...

Shame as it ticks all my boxes for me...
 

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The problem with garages doing this sort of work is it requires more than a fitter... And more often than not require extra parts which bumps up the cost so people don't want them .. then those parts break or fail soon after anyway and it becomes the garages fault....

I know one garage (that I wouldn't use again) that rebuilt my MK2 after a cracked liner. They was certain that they knew better than me about the the liner, then did everything as they was supposed to but still had to take the engine out a second time due to not having experience on the difference between the book and real world...

And after all that they still left her with an oil leak that was never there, and made up lots of excuses as to why there is now a leak after they did the work and not before .. not a bad leak mind but annoying all the same.

If they just did service work they would probably have made much more money in the same time and that's business...

But the answer is up to you. It's repairable and you'll find someone to do it. Do you love the car enough to pay for that? If not then you can sell her on as a problem to be fixed by someone who knows what they're doing.

Tarnock garage are good but expensive. Probably worth asking what they say.

My usual garage in Weston has recently closed but then I've been having a friend do what little work has been needed for a while now.

I wonder if I was keeping him in business 😂😂
 

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The problem with garages doing this sort of work is it requires more than a fitter... And more often than not require extra parts which bumps up the cost so people don't want them .. then those parts break or fail soon after anyway and it becomes the garages fault....

I know one garage (that I wouldn't use again) that rebuilt my MK2 after a cracked liner. They was certain that they knew better than me about the the liner, then did everything as they was supposed to but still had to take the engine out a second time due to not having experience on the difference between the book and real world...

And after all that they still left her with an oil leak that was never there, and made up lots of excuses as to why there is now a leak after they did the work and not before .. not a bad leak mind but annoying all the same.

If they just did service work they would probably have made much more money in the same time and that's business...

But the answer is up to you. It's repairable and you'll find someone to do it. Do you love the car enough to pay for that? If not then you can sell her on as a problem to be fixed by someone who knows what they're doing.

Tarnock garage are good but expensive. Probably worth asking what they say.

My usual garage in Weston has recently closed but then I've been having a friend do what little work has been needed for a while now.

I wonder if I was keeping him in business 😂😂
Thanks for the detailed reply mate.
You are right and to be fair that is exactly what the most recent garage said...
The problem with garages doing this sort of work is it requires more than a fitter... And more often than not require extra parts which bumps up the cost so people don't want them .. then those parts break or fail soon after anyway and it becomes the garages fault....

I know one garage (that I wouldn't use again) that rebuilt my MK2 after a cracked liner. They was certain that they knew better than me about the the liner, then did everything as they was supposed to but still had to take the engine out a second time due to not having experience on the difference between the book and real world...

And after all that they still left her with an oil leak that was never there, and made up lots of excuses as to why there is now a leak after they did the work and not before .. not a bad leak mind but annoying all the same.

If they just did service work they would probably have made much more money in the same time and that's business...

But the answer is up to you. It's repairable and you'll find someone to do it. Do you love the car enough to pay for that? If not then you can sell her on as a problem to be fixed by someone who knows what they're doing.

Tarnock garage are good but expensive. Probably worth asking what they say.

My usual garage in Weston has recently closed but then I've been having a friend do what little work has been needed for a while now.

I wonder if I was keeping him in business 😂😂
Sounds 100% spot on. The most recent garage said it wouldn't want to do the job and then see it a few months later as the Engine is not guaranteed to suddenly be bullet proof in the future....
 

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As has been mentioned, if you forged the engine it will be stronger and now would be time to do it.

Do some research but I thought the chocolate pistons was more of a bad production thing than likely to fail if you did rebuild.

And it could be something entirely different, although unlikely
 

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Even for forging ?
I think so mate, SABRE said they cant help! - I spoke again with my local local guy who has his own garage (not the one who didn't fancy taking the job on recently), he said don't sell it for £4k - keep it and when he gets some more time, even on weekends in June / July, a few months from now, he will take the 'head off' and see what the damage is. I can then assess whether we are looking at potential rebuild and save the engine or buy a recon engine. God knows if that is the right thing to do!
 
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