It will probably take another 15 years after to completely get rid of petrol cars the 2040 is new car sales will end. I'll be a grumpy old man by then 😉

 

another point is what will the goverment to about tax, they rake it in on fuel and VED, something that is currently very low on electric cars, how long till they increase the tax to make up for the losses.

it will be the same all over again as the current diesel scandal, with the gov promoting "cleaner" diesels, they will hit the electric cars with similer taxes.

 

It's not all about going electric though - maybe this will be the kick to get hydrogen fuel cells mainstream?

 

That's what a Hydrogen Fuel Cell does - produce electricity.

 

What a load of bull****, the amount of jobs that will be lost will be insane.

Motorsport wont be the same, life size scalextric cars will be boring...

 

That's what a Hydrogen Fuel Cell does - produce electricity.

but takes a lot of electricity to produce, its the law of conservation of energy, until a sustainable way of producing hydrogen is created, its going to be expensive, although emission neutrel for the actual creation and use, the apart from electricity it only creates and uses water, hydrogen and oxygen.

obviously its not 100% effiecent either (back to the law)

 

I'm not that bothered about the type of power unit under the hood, but I'm really going to miss the clutch and manual gearbox. I've not seen any evidence of being able to keep this with electric or hybrid setups.

STs from 2040 might all be flappy paddle autos I suppose we just have to hope in the next 20 years someone invents a way of having the engagement of a manual with hybrid or electric setups.

 

you dont need a gearbox at all with a pure electric.

one thing, how will everybody who lives in a terreced house or a flat without a parking space charge their vehicles? will thay all have to run a cable out of the window, accross the garden, onto the street, then down the road 100m's to where they were able to park their car?

 

you dont need a gearbox at all with a pure electric.

one thing, how will everybody who lives in a terreced house or a flat without a parking space charge their vehicles? will thay all have to run a cable out of the window, accross the garden, onto the street, then down the road 100m's to where they were able to park their car?

By 2040 I would imagine all the "petrol" stations will have charging stations and the quick charging tech will have come on enough that we can re-charge the car in a couple of minutes.

 

Looks like I'll have to buy something with a V8 at least in 2039.....

 

The Honda CR-Z hybrid had a manual gearbox.

 

Wasn't there R&D in to hydrogen ICE?

I.e. still an engine as we know now but it "burns" hydrogen instead.

I know there is time for things to improve, but really don't fancy driving around sat on heavy explosive batteries.

 

They've got to get all the old diesels off the road NOW.

The **** they are pumping out is literally killing thousands of people and that's a disgrace.

Not to mention the modern one's that are pumping out up to 6x more **** on the road than the test figures...

 

The Honda CR-Z hybrid had a manual gearbox.

because its a hybrid

I know there is time for things to improve, but really don't fancy driving around sat on heavy explosive batteries.

WW1 Zepperlins! but with 4 wheels!

 

I think for it to be sustainable, fully electric cars (the way Tesla and other manufacturers are doing now), will have to change to something like hydrogen fuel cells, as it's been tested but not really rolled out in huge amounts. My guess would be that the electric cars of today are a stop gap until they come up with the "next big thing"

With regards to roadtax, there was a chap who won an award for an idea he had, basically as opposed to paying a set rate for the year as we do now, they will charge based on the mileage you do, there is an amount (3000/4000) where you don't have to pay anything regardless of what car you have, whereas the people who are doing 15,000/20,000+ will feel the pain of it. Especially companies with a lot of fleet cars/company cars, however my guess is that will have some sort of loophole for them, as they are not personally owned. Probably a fixed charge p/year

 

another point is what will the goverment to about tax, they rake it in on fuel and VED, something that is currently very low on electric cars, how long till they increase the tax to make up for the losses.

it will be the same all over again as the current diesel scandal, with the gov promoting "cleaner" diesels, they will hit the electric cars with similer taxes.

My electric hybrid car has road tax at over £400, company car tax is also shooting up, so they have already started to make more tax out of hybrids/electric cars

What a load of , the amount of jobs that will be lost will be insane.

Motorsport wont be the same, life size scalextric cars will be boring...

I watched formula e the other week, whilst it did remind me of Scalextric at first, it was actually quite good, certainly more exciting than F1

I'm not that bothered about the type of power unit under the hood, but I'm really going to miss the clutch and manual gearbox. I've not seen any evidence of being able to keep this with electric or hybrid setups.

STs from 2040 might all be flappy paddle autos I suppose we just have to hope in the next 20 years someone invents a way of having the engagement of a manual with hybrid or electric setups.

as above the Honda hybrid has a manual but the auto boxes is the way these things are going.

Re a STe making an like a gold GTE, I hope not as the GTE is awful and very slow, the BMW 330e or merc C350e are the only decent hybrids for drivers for reasonable money, yes there are the porches and tesla but they are silly money)

Nb charging an electric car is not that cheap, it costs about 50% of the cost of the petrol needed to cover the same distance. As I get free fuel from work mine is only ever charged is i find a free charging point

 

My electric hybrid car has road tax at over £400, company car tax is also shooting up, so they have already started to make more tax out of hybrids/electric cars

is it a new one with the expensive car (over £40k) suppliment?

 

Instead of demonising all motorist who drive petrol or diesel, what about the millions of aeroplanes taking people round the planet leaving a massive carbon footprint bigger than any v8 Range Rover.

 

They've got to get all the old diesels off the road NOW.

The they are pumping out is literally killing thousands of people and that's a disgrace.

Not to mention the modern one's that are pumping out up to 6x more on the road than the test figures...

I agree about dirty old diesels but its not just diesel cars, my son works for a train company as an engineer and he was saying some trains run 4 huge old dirty engines to power them, these need to be changed somehow to euro 6 spec. people blame buses and trucks but this simply is not the case I deal with some London bus companys and they are replacing their fleets with electric, hybrid and euro 6 buses. SMMT today posted some facts about euro 6 emmisions and this has reduced NOx by 95% over euro 5 (2009) standards. if all diesels before this spec were encouraged of the road and companies cheating the system were brought to book it would make a massive difference to air quality.

 

They've got to get all the old diesels off the road NOW.

The they are pumping out is literally killing thousands of people and that's a disgrace.

Not to mention the modern one's that are pumping out up to 6x more on the road than the test figures...

Steady on mate. I run a '57 plate caddy van which I like almost as much as purring about in the Focus. No danger some greenhorns are going to have me binning it! As to the topic, I've never heard so much in my life that they're going all electric. Just soundbites to appease the green brigade for me. As mentioned in previous posts, the logistics involved in this idea are mind boggling and will never happen. You heard it here first mind, so if I'm wrong, come back and stick it to me in 23 years time... :bleh: I'm sure my license runs out in 2038 anyhow!

 

I agree about dirty old diesels but its not just diesel cars, my son works for a train company as an engineer and he was saying some trains run 4 huge old dirty engines to power them, these need to be changed somehow to euro 6 spec. people blame buses and trucks but this simply is not the case I deal with some London bus companys and they are replacing their fleets with electric, hybrid and euro 6 buses. SMMT today posted some facts about euro 6 emmisions and this has reduced NOx by 95% over euro 5 (2009) standards. if all diesels before this spec were encouraged of the road and companies cheating the system were brought to book it would make a massive difference to air quality.

Can the NOx measurement be trusted though ? The Euro 6 will be better but is the real-world NOx output from diesel cars the same as the test figures ?

Most diesel cars and vans are company-owned and driven by employees that dont care about economy or engine wear. And all that hard-driving is pushing the emissions to the max and way higher than the car/van is supposed to be producing ...

 

Steady on mate. I run a '57 plate caddy van which I like almost as much as purring about in the Focus. No danger some greenhorns are going to have me binning it! As to the topic, I've never heard so much in my life that they're going all electric. Just soundbites to appease the green brigade for me. As mentioned in previous posts, the logistics involved in this idea are mind boggling and will never happen. You heard it here first mind, so if I'm wrong, come back and stick it to me in 23 years time... :bleh: I'm sure my license runs out in 2038 anyhow!

Nice... basically you dont give a about the poison you are spreading as you drive or the health of your fellow drivers or pedestrians. Appalling.

Greenhouse gases from petrol cars are one thing, but dirty diesels are killing people NOW.

 

I agree about dirty old diesels but its not just diesel cars, my son works for a train company as an engineer and he was saying some trains run 4 huge old dirty engines to power them, these need to be changed somehow to euro 6 spec. people blame buses and trucks but this simply is not the case I deal with some London bus companys and they are replacing their fleets with electric, hybrid and euro 6 buses. SMMT today posted some facts about euro 6 emmisions and this has reduced NOx by 95% over euro 5 (2009) standards. if all diesels before this spec were encouraged of the road and companies cheating the system were brought to book it would make a massive difference to air quality.

this is the link for the SMMT item no 7 mentions real time testing.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2017/04/10-facts-you-need-to-know-about-diesel/

 

Nice... basically you dont give a about the poison you are spreading as you drive or the health of your fellow drivers or pedestrians. Appalling.

Greenhouse gases from petrol cars are one thing, but dirty diesels are killing people NOW.

Send me the 5 grand mate and you can personally take it to the scrappy's! Not so long ago we were encouraged to buy them, so who do we believe?

 

is it a new one with the expensive car (over £40k) suppliment?

yes, and the cost is worked out before the government grant or discount :0(

I agree about dirty old diesels but its not just diesel cars, my son works for a train company as an engineer and he was saying some trains run 4 huge old dirty engines to power them, these need to be changed somehow to euro 6 spec. people blame buses and trucks but this simply is not the case I deal with some London bus companys and they are replacing their fleets with electric, hybrid and euro 6 buses. SMMT today posted some facts about euro 6 emmisions and this has reduced NOx by 95% over euro 5 (2009) standards. if all diesels before this spec were encouraged of the road and companies cheating the system were brought to book it would make a massive difference to air quality.

And strangely the government has just shelved a couple of big electrification schemes on the railways so diesel electrics are here for the foreseeable