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Hi all,

I've recently decided to mod my completely stock Focus ST with budget of ~£3k as I've had to delay my desired purchase of an RS. I had a look at tuning companies near me and Devil Developments wasn't too far away and I had heard of them before.

I contacted them and they responded quickly, they suggested the below mods which was close to my budget that should deliver 310-320 bhp.

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I was surprised at how much they were quoting for the exhaust and that they didn't suggest a clutch replacements. I also had a quick look elsewhere and other tuners seemed to be offering ~300bhp a lot less (e.g. pumaspeed seem to be offering stock to 300bhp for less than £700? here)

Is this a good quote or should I look elsewhere?

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Block mod seems expensive plus a lot of those parts often come up for sale secondhand
 

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I don't think block mod is a million miles off if they're quoting genuine ford parts, replacing water pump and the like, but get that confirmed first as the shims are only a few quid otherwise.

You could probably get an exhaust system cheaper, maybe fitted for about a grand but I might be out of date with the prices.

I'm sure you can get intercooler cheaper and isn't particularly difficult to fit yourself.

What induction? You could certainly do that yourself although removing the standard air box isn't the easiest thing.

You could get a while host of remaps that you could plug and play yourself and Dyno to confirm once your happy.

If you don't want to do the work yourself and happy with what they're offering it doesn't seem that bad depending on what they're giving you.

You'll likely want to price in clutch and flywheel on top as standard probably won't cut it.

You could just go down pipe, decat/sports cat, intercooler and remap to get similar figures. And cost much less. Depends what you want, what you need to do and how much you want block mod done.
For example if you need to do cam belt, the block mod won't cost that much extra.

If your original exhaust is starting to rust out then it's not bad to get a full stainless system.

But this is a slippy slope that will likely cost more than £3k 😂
 

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I don't think block mod is a million miles off if they're quoting genuine ford parts, replacing water pump and the like, but get that confirmed first as the shims are only a few quid otherwise.
Thanks good to know it's not that far off, I will confirm but I expect they are genuine ford parts as they have a very good reputation from what I've seen and specialise in focuses.

You could probably get an exhaust system cheaper, maybe fitted for about a grand but I might be out of date with the prices.
This was the main thing I was surprised about how expensive it was, but again i need to confirm exactly what they are doing as all I know is it's the Scorpion exhaust

I'm sure you can get intercooler cheaper and isn't particularly difficult to fit yourself.

What induction? You could certainly do that yourself although removing the standard air box isn't the easiest thing.

You could get a while host of remaps that you could plug and play yourself and Dyno to confirm once your happy.

If you don't want to do the work yourself and happy with what they're offering it doesn't seem that bad depending on what they're giving you.
Not really looking to do any of the work myself to be honest as don't have the time and would rather pay to have it done right !

You'll likely want to price in clutch and flywheel on top as standard probably won't cut it.
I was surprised they didn't recommend it, I'll ask why

You could just go down pipe, decat/sports cat, intercooler and remap to get similar figures. And cost much less. Depends what you want, what you need to do and how much you want block mod done.
For example if you need to do cam belt, the block mod won't cost that much extra.
I guess i'm just looking for more power (hence why I was looking to get an RS) and get the loud exhaust lust out of my system before I'm forced to go electric! Cam belt was done a few years back so that should be fine, first response I got from them was 'Has it had the block mod done?' followed by 'first thin we'd recommend is getting a block mod, then go on from that' so it sounded like it was pretty much a requirement ?

If your original exhaust is starting to rust out then it's not bad to get a full stainless system.

But this is a slippy slope that will likely cost more than £3k 😂
yeah it's all looking a bit slippery to be honest as I'm already looking at the visual mods I'd want to do once the performance mods are in !
 

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Block mod is interesting and you can have a search for the million and one posts on here assuming they've survived the transfer for some light reading.

I believe some tuners require the block mod done where as others push for track cars without caring about it.

If you listen to the Facebook mobs it's essential and you're an idiot for not doing it with cam belt (aware it was a thing or not- makes no difference)

And if you listen to the Facebook mobs it's all a con to get more money for work that doesn't need to be done.

That pretty much sums it up 😂

Clutch wouldn't be essential- if yours starts to slip you can drive around it. Driven properly it should be ok most the time, especially for a Dyno run in fourth. Depends on the specific map as some are more friendly than others for clutches.

And the big draw to the rs performance wise is the lsd. So if you're going to do clutch do that as well then there's no need for the rs.

Unless you want an rs. The looks. And the fact it will/has held value better.

In my position I could never warrant the cost of the rs, especially with how concerned I am about my car in car parks and she is my daily.

But realistically my st should hold its own/win performance wise against an rs (standard) and I haven't paid the rs tax with all the potential to push mine further.

If you want to push further than I have then you just need rs bits and the lines start to get really blurred about what you should have done 🤷
 

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I've just been buying parts 2nd hand for my st and all in for power mods I've spent £1220

Miltek sport exhaust which seems like new £375
Group A induction kit with rs ecu holder £115
Airtec downpipe £200
Airtec decat £30
Intercooler £150
Nexus remap £350

The car is running 306bhp and 297ftlbs the clutch slips a little in 6th if I put the foot to the floor. It should hopefully be fine for a long time as long as I go back a gear or 2 or just accelerate steady in 6th

If your defo going for an rs then watch what you spend as you might be better just putting the money for mods aside. Or better yet buy a cheap deisel and keep all your money.
 

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Devil developments told me in there opinion below 280 the block mod isn't so necessary. £720 plus cost of waterpump.
I had mine done at Devil, had to go back for a camcover leak due to the manufacturer changing how the sealer behaved and a camsensor issue.
All been ok since, they do know there stuff.
 

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Personally as s66anb said getting the parts second hand is a far better saving .
But ideally I'd make sure that the car is ready to mod .so maybe get a decent code reader and check for any faults or history faults within the memory ..just helps .
Then I'd get a health check on the whole car ..brakes ,tyres , any possible faults you can't see again this just helps ..
Once all is okay then I'd say start with an intercooler I run the Roadsport stage 2 but Obviously Airtec and various others are on the market but as said have a good look around for second hand unit ..if it's losing paint don't worry it can be refurbed for a reasonable amount .
Exhaust Wise You have Mongoose standard ,Section 59 (bit louder)
Kms Thunderstorm ,Dreamscience ,Cobra etc so you can find some good second hand pipes on here or eBay Facebook etc . Decats can easily be had for £45 -£60 tops ..don't pay any more than this in my opinion but don't forget to buy something called a lambda sensor spacer or aka MIL cheater .This helps keep the EML light of the dash basically to cheat the car into thinking there's a Cat there hence the name .
If going for A Sports cat I'd have a good hard look around you should be able to pick one up around £250 or so if not brand new around £500 or so ..
(Remember to buy a new lambda sensor as the old ones 9 times out of ten don't come out.lol)

Remap wise I'd research a little into this ...And if you can maybe get a ride out in a car to get a feel of what it drives like ..
Dreamscience ,Colin's ,Mountune And some others can provide handsets and files to send to you to program to your car within 1/2 an hour and there are custom maps around where certain tuners can provide a special map to your car specifically designed but like I said just research it .

Induction kit there's a few options ..The Popular Group A Filter and Rs ECU holder kit or there's the Rs Air Box conversion Which a few of us on here run ..or if not just upgrading the standard Air filter to start with can help minimal .

Suspension wise ..Eibach and H&R Springs are popular but if you want to add in a full kit then Bilstein B12 Or Konis with eibachs is a good set up also.

I think you could add in the springs to your budget but depending who does the work ..you could save yourself a few quid .
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Hope this helps in some way .....

Marty
 

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Thanks for all the help guys, with second hand parts if I'm not looking to fit them myself are garages generally willing to do it for you if you turn up with a bunch of second hand bits? I have a good relationship with my local garage but I don't think they will be willing to do it as they were a bit cautious when I said I might be getting an evo X, saying that if it had too many mods they wouldn't be comfortable working on it but I guess I can ask them.
 

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A back street garage should fit the parts no problem or better yet give it a go yourself.

My local back street garage that I have now used for 16 years advised me to take some of my cars to a specialist as they will have the correct tools and knowledge of the car. Yes they may be a little more expensive but they will diagnose and resolve problems a lot faster which in turn may work out cheaper than the back street garage.

A focus st however I wouldn't class that as anything special. There will be things ford specialists know where to look first ie boost problems or I'm not sure if the st has issues with the abs sensors. But generally it should be fine. And if you do run into problems that's why you pay a membership on here to ask questions and get answers.
 

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Even buying new there's a lot of money to be saved. You'd be paying a hefty premium for DD to source and fit all the parts.

Exhaust £500 / 3" downpipe £190 / sports cat £220 total: £910
Airtec stage 2 intercooler £300
Induction kit £275

The above are just examples, there are cheaper and more expensive options available but on those alone that's almost £1000 saved before fitting costs.
 

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The above are just examples, there are cheaper and more expensive options available but on those alone that's almost £1000 saved before fitting costs.
And I would expect to pay maybe £300 ish pound +a few snags (sort of guessing) to get all that fitted by a garage willing to do the work. There's nothing particularly difficult there.

There's nothing wrong with paying them to do it so you don't have to think much, but I'm guessing if you was really happy about that you wouldn't have come here asking about it.

Realistically you could have what they're offering plus the clutch for your budget.
 

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You don't even need an aftermarket cat-back exhaust to get to 300hp so you could save another £500 there which would cover most of the cost of an LSD. If you were having an RS clutch fitted you wouldn't be paying much if any more in labour to fit a diff at the same time.

What about tyres/brakes/suspension/bushes etc?
 

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What about tyres/brakes/suspension/bushes etc?
I've always run ps4 the rest is all stock at the moment. Do you think I need to factor in any of these parts?

First time I've seriously looked into modding and feels like there are lots of options and opinions about what should/can be done :unsure:
 
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