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Hi everyone car went for the downpipe today and guess what they couldnt do it!!!!! I aint happy!! They did me power run which came out at 290bhp!!!which was great!!! They tried to undo the bolts which one came out easy, the other two wouldnt budge and they said they applied heat! He said that he didnt wana do it any more in case it broke so put back togeather except the bolt they got out would only go in half way. Im very disappointed what should i do and does anyone no who could do this task???im willing to travel! Im in devon thanks guys
 

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Hello mate!

I had my downpipe and sports cat fitted by 'Brakes Motor Company' in Ilminster, Somerset. They had no problems fitting them and they were very reasonably priced. Speak to a bloke in the service department called Den and say Huw sent you his way! He'll look after you!
 

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I would try more heat, preferably with the oxy gear. Get it near enough red hot and an extended 10mm ring spanner. If necessary, weld a bit metal onto the spanner.
 

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i cant exactly tell the garage what to do thou can i!!! its not me worth doing it meself and get a blow lamp on it and get it red hot???? huw do u have a contact number??? and any more suggestions welcome thanks guys and gals
 

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my downpipe was the same one bolt straight out the other 1\2 way out and the nxt bolt near welded in. They asked if wanted them to continue and said yes. All that would happen if the bolts snaped they would have to be drilled and then a special fixing installed then new bolts. I got mine fitted at dreamscience in hull.
 

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Don't think you'll get it red hot with a blow lamp, oxy gear is the way forward. My mate loosened all mine off a few weeks back and we got them all glowing red hot first. To get a socket onto the top one which is hard to access you can use a mega long extension (or 2 or 3!) and actually work the wrench from near the left hand wheelarch.

I'd also suggest getting the latest spec bolts from a Ford dealer to go back in once you get them out, they now have a copper coloured coating on them which is supposed to help them come out easier in service. Maybe mods could pin this bit?

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QUOTE(stfezzy @ 4 Dec 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i cant exactly tell the garage what to do thou can i!!! its not me worth doing it meself and get a blow lamp on it and get it red hot???? huw do u have a contact number??? and any more suggestions welcome thanks guys and gals

Their number is 0146054331. Ask for either Stacey or Den in Servicing. And yeah you can give them advice, i didn't when i had my done.
I just mentioned that they should be careful as a number of people on here had broken the bolts when replacing the downpipe (Ryan to mention one). I went on to mention the solutions around the probelm as suggested on this very forum. Hope this helps!
 

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We do them day in and day out and we still find them a bit of a lottery - We also find that they will shift if they 'stone' cold

However we found that once they have started to lock up (as it sounds like in your case) there is very little that can be done as the thread becomes damaged.

You ring us on 0161 406 9797 if you need any more advice
 

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Yeah these are a bit tricky and to date we have never broken one and have enjoyed a 100% success rate, we also agree cooling is more effective than heating. We replace all the old style bolts with the new Ford copper coloured ones and all the exhaust kits we supply go out with these too.

It seems they either fall out or they cease up?

I hope it works out for you


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i read somewhere that you can freeze the bolts then try gettin them out??? anyways is it worth me just doing it me self over xmas???spend sum time doing it then if they do snap i got a couple weeks to get them out??? if they snap and need to be drilled does anyone no of some advice???are they easy??? thx
 

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Just get it done at Profile Automotive, that's what I'll be doing when I get the cash to get one fitted.
 

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when they snap (if they snap) when you are removing them, am I right in guessing that its the head shears off the bolt at this point.....



in which case, its shouldn't be too bad as you can use a roller bearing stud extractor to remove the rest of the bolt as once the head has come off, the downpipe comes away allowing enough length to get on to the remaining bolt?

are they M8, standard pitch bolts?

I think I'll fit some studs (around 50mm long) and use some stainless spring washers and nuts on the top when I do mine.
 

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i did think about using a stud extractor!!! Think im going to tackle it over xmas me self!
 

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The best way to release bolts like this (although not an east task working in a small area like you would be!) is to get the turbo body hot then freeze the bolt with something like plumbers use to freeze pipes! You can get a similar effect by using one of the aerosol products like Dust-Off and turning the can upside down when you spray it! Freezing the bolt will make the metal contract so its smaller than the hot thread in the turbo body which should free it off instantly! To be honest though i would leave it somebody who has all the tools and knowhow! Befoe either attempting it yourself or taking it in you could also try spraying a release agent like Plus-Gas on the bolts a few times when the engine is either cold or just warm (ie not hot as it might catch fire!)
 

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Think room would be rather tight for using an external stud extractor especially if it's the top bolt which is proving difficult or has snapped - the bracket for mounting the heatshield is close to this and especially on my Magnex, I had to file a scoop out of it to let a ring spanner drop over the bolt head properly. Loads of options for getting the snapped stud/studs out once the turbo is off the car, it's doing it in situ which is a right pain in the butt. Not sure if some access is better if you go from above by removing the leafscreen etc but I'm sure some oil pipes need disconnecting to get the heatshield clear of the turbo.
 

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with the bolts only being 8mm though, I have one of these, if you can get a socket on them, then you can get one of these - awesome bit of kit....



they grip with phenominal strength - never had a stud snap off with one of these
 

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Dozy me forgetting that if a stud does snap you can still get the downpipe off to get it out of the way and give more room to grip the stud as long as it hasn't snapped off flush.

 

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QUOTE(hugo2631 @ 4 Dec 2009, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Their number is 0146054331. Ask for either Stacey or Den in Servicing. And yeah you can give them advice, i didn't when i had my done.
I just mentioned that they should be careful as a number of people on here had broken the bolts when replacing the downpipe (Ryan to mention one). I went on to mention the solutions around the probelm as suggested on this very forum. Hope this helps!


Yep I had ALL three snap on my car
result!! Again I pre-warned the local Ford garage about the problems with these bolts, but alas it wasn't to be on my car
 

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so back to my original question, of the people who have had them snap - did they snap right under the head - so you CAN use a stud extractor - or did they snap flush into the casting?
 
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