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Heading off to work tonight I went a different way to normal as the usual route was covered in mud, grit and sugar beat, not to mention the constant stream of tractors and lorrys.(I live in back o beyond)
Any way, just as i came from a 60 into a 30 a police man gunned me, i was slowing and was caught doing 54 in the 30.
obviously pulled me over, explained I should be doing 30 well before the sign, which i agreed to.

Was told I would recieve a court summons and they would decide my fate, I can either go to court and plead guilty or stay home and plead guilty.

Im my 4 years driving iv never had any dealing with the police or the legal system.

I have no idea what to do, or expect!

In all honesty im terrified.

By the way im not looking for sympathy, I completly accept im guilty.

Any comment / advice welcome.
 

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dont worry about it mate. it will be a fine & some points. not the end of the world. never been caught speeding myself but my dad has. hes 74 and had 9 points untill recently
 

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You were caught at almost twice the speed limit that is not good, I think it is time to start praying they charge you with speeding and not something worse.
 

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dont worry about it mate been done a few times now at a lot worse mph, ide go a court it looks better and explain how it went down might help you out
 

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Magistrates' Court Penalty Guidelines

Points: 6
Normal fine range: £300 - £500
Disqualification possible? Consider 7-56 days
Maximum fine: £1000

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=24748

Last year my brother was doing 57 in a 30, he got a 2 week ban, £150 fine and no points.
Wear a suit to court - I went with my brother, you'd be suprised the ammount of people who turned up in trainers anda tracksuit.
 

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I'd have thought you'd be lucky to get away with 6 points and a three-figure fine, frankly.

As to "what to do" when you get your 5 minutes in court, I expect Si will be along shortly to give you the best advice as to how the magistrates court works.

As you have already admitted, 54 in a 30 isn't good - that said, I do wish you the best of luck for your hearing.

EDIT --> Just read "Scully's" post - I wasn't far off with my estimate....
 

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It's quite painless actually.

(I was crapping myself, and i was only there to watch). Oh, and drive in case he got a ban.

They give 5 people a slot, between 9-11, you turn up, and wait your turn. When you get called in they ask you some questions, there are 3 of them sat behind a desk, then they send you out to the waiting room whilst they have a discussion.
You get called back in and they tell you the punishment.

It's not as bad as it sounds, and we would of felt much more easy if we'd of known what to expect.

Time scale wise you are probably looking at about 6-9 months before you get to court.
 

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You're clearly not an idiot matey, so all the best with this, hope it goes as well as can be. I admit I rarely slow entirely before the sign and just ease off after until I'm down to the required speed so this could happen to any one of us I'd imagine.

I've been very lucky in my dealings with the police and probably owe them a few beers by now
 

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QUOTE(coolkrio @ 18 Jan 2010, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Heading off to work tonight I went a different way to normal as the usual route was covered in mud, grit and sugar beat, not to mention the constant stream of tractors and lorrys.(I live in back o beyond)
Any way, just as i came from a 60 into a 30 a police man gunned me, i was slowing and was caught doing 54 in the 30.
obviously pulled me over, explained I should be doing 30 well before the sign, which i agreed to.

Was told I would recieve a court summons and they would decide my fate, I can either go to court and plead guilty or stay home and plead guilty.

Im my 4 years driving iv never had any dealing with the police or the legal system.

I have no idea what to do, or expect!

In all honesty im terrified.

By the way im not looking for sympathy, I completly accept im guilty.

Any comment / advice welcome.


Ok, first of all, don't panic. You can't change anything, so there's no use worrying about it.

Here's what has happened, and what will happen.

The copper has clocked you at 54mph in a 30. You accept you're guilty, so that will go in your favour. The copper will have noted that you admitted wrong-doing at the roadside in his notes. He's issued you with a 'verbal NIP' or 'Notice of Intended Prosecution'. It will have been something along the lines of:

"I will be reporting you for the consideration of prosecution for the offence of exceeding the marked speed limit for this road. You do not have to say anything, but anything you do say may be given in evidence. It may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you later rely on in court. Do you wish to say anything?" Whatever you said after that, he will have noted officially. This is all then sent to the CPS or Crown Prosecution Service. They will decide if they have enough evidence to prosecute you (they do - the speed reading from the gun, the Police officer's written statement and your own admission at the roadside). It will be passed to the courts and a date set for you to appear. You'll get a letter informing you of when it is. This process can take anything up to 6 months (the CPS have up to 6 months to 'lay' the evidence with the court).

In the interim, I suggest you drive like a granny; picking up 3 points for another speeding offence, parking on zig-zags etc will not reflect well on the view the Magistrates form of you...!

On your court day, you'll be expected to appear and it won't do any harm at all to wear a suit and tie. If you don't plan on fighting it, you'll be asked to stand in front of the Magistrates (there will usually be 3) and the offence will be read out by the Clerk of the Court. You'll be asked if you have anything to say, and I would say that you admit fully that you are guilty, it was a momentary lapse in concentration and is not indicative of your usual driving standards (it will help if you have a clean licence currently!). I'd also mention that you admitted you were speeding to the officer who stopped you at the time. I would then apologise and state that you've learned your lesson and you're sorry to be taking up the court's time because of your offence.

The Mags will then confer, along with input from the Clerk (who is actually the one who knows what the sentencing guidelines are in more depth). I would imagine that you're looking at 3-6 points and a fine. The fine may be calculated on your earnings (or 'means-tested'). If you're only being reported for speeding, you're not going to be banned. The speed is simply at a high enough level that it should be dealt with by the courts; 3 points fixed penalty isn't an option. Had you been at 50 or under, I reckon you may have gotten away with a fixed penalty at the roadside.

I would guess you're probably looking at between 3-6 points (I once got 5 for 97.6 in a 70) and £150-200 fine + 'Victim Surcharge' (which is a load of ballsacks - show me the 'victim' of your 'crime'...?) which is, at present, £15-30 I think. I know it's either changed recently or about to.

Don't be late to court, look smart, act humble, take it on the chin and learn the lesson.

Oh, and welcome to the club - I've been in court twice for speeding and have had numerous FPNs over the years. Meantime, drive carefully and don't give them any more ammunition to hit you with.

Don't worry about it; there's nothing you can do, so don't let it play on your mind.
 

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QUOTE(Mart170 @ 18 Jan 2010, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I admit I rarely slow entirely before the sign and just ease off after until I'm down to the required speed so this could happen to any one of us I'd imagine.

i agree with you
if the police are going to set up radar traps etc,they should do it in a more appropriate place
ie somewhere where people are deliberatly speeding, and not already slowing down
 

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QUOTE(jonn @ 18 Jan 2010, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i agree with you
if the police are going to set up radar traps etc,they should do it in a more appropriate place
ie somewhere where people are deliberatly speeding, and not already slowing down

yes but if they did that it wouldnt be as such a good money making scheme
hope u get it sorted m8 and not to harsh on you
 

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QUOTE(jonn @ 18 Jan 2010, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i agree with you
if the police are going to set up radar traps etc,they should do it in a more appropriate place
ie somewhere where people are deliberatly speeding, and not already slowing down
In all fairness Jonn, I'd rather they were inside the 30 limit than out on the NSL section..!
 

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I got 3 points and a £60 fine but that was for 98mph in a 70


Luckily the traffic cop was in a good mood and drove a astra VXR so understood just how easy it is to hit those speeds in an ST.

I've been a good boy since though.
 

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Unlucky mate.

But like some have said, don't worry about it. If you worry too much your going to get more and more upset.

I have been there before and so have many other forum members.

I only had my ST three months before I was caught speeding. Yup, 60 in a 30.

All I can say is that it taught me a huge lesson and one experience I don't want to go through again.

Honestly, don't beat yourself up about it, chin up and good luck matey what ever the outcome

Rich
 

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QUOTE(Gav @ 18 Jan 2010, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok, first of all, don't panic. You can't change anything, so there's no use worrying about it.

Here's what has happened, and what will happen.

The copper has clocked you at 54mph in a 30. You accept you're guilty, so that will go in your favour. The copper will have noted that you admitted wrong-doing at the roadside in his notes. He's issued you with a 'verbal NIP' or 'Notice of Intended Prosecution'. It will have been something along the lines of:

"I will be reporting you for the consideration of prosecution for the offence of exceeding the marked speed limit for this road. You do not have to say anything, but anything you do say may be given in evidence. It may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you later rely on in court. Do you wish to say anything?" Whatever you said after that, he will have noted officially. This is all then sent to the CPS or Crown Prosecution Service. They will decide if they have enough evidence to prosecute you (they do - the speed reading from the gun, the Police officer's written statement and your own admission at the roadside). It will be passed to the courts and a date set for you to appear. You'll get a letter informing you of when it is. This process can take anything up to 6 months (the CPS have up to 6 months to 'lay' the evidence with the court).

In the interim, I suggest you drive like a granny; picking up 3 points for another speeding offence, parking on zig-zags etc will not reflect well on the view the Magistrates form of you...!

On your court day, you'll be expected to appear and it won't do any harm at all to wear a suit and tie. If you don't plan on fighting it, you'll be asked to stand in front of the Magistrates (there will usually be 3) and the offence will be read out by the Clerk of the Court. You'll be asked if you have anything to say, and I would say that you admit fully that you are guilty, it was a momentary lapse in concentration and is not indicative of your usual driving standards (it will help if you have a clean licence currently!). I'd also mention that you admitted you were speeding to the officer who stopped you at the time. I would then apologise and state that you've learned your lesson and you're sorry to be taking up the court's time because of your offence.

The Mags will then confer, along with input from the Clerk (who is actually the one who knows what the sentencing guidelines are in more depth). I would imagine that you're looking at 3-6 points and a fine. The fine may be calculated on your earnings (or 'means-tested'). If you're only being reported for speeding, you're not going to be banned. The speed is simply at a high enough level that it should be dealt with by the courts; 3 points fixed penalty isn't an option. Had you been at 50 or under, I reckon you may have gotten away with a fixed penalty at the roadside.

I would guess you're probably looking at between 3-6 points (I once got 5 for 97.6 in a 70) and £150-200 fine + 'Victim Surcharge' (which is a load of ballsacks - show me the 'victim' of your 'crime'...?) which is, at present, £15-30 I think. I know it's either changed recently or about to.

Don't be late to court, look smart, act humble, take it on the chin and learn the lesson.

Oh, and welcome to the club - I've been in court twice for speeding and have had numerous FPNs over the years. Meantime, drive carefully and don't give them any more ammunition to hit you with.

Don't worry about it; there's nothing you can do, so don't let it play on your mind.

This is excellent advice, all I would add is when you make your plea of mitigation (thats the bit you get to speak) It may be worth you booking yourself on an IAM DriveCheck as since being pulled over you are conscious that you need to be more careful and thought that it may help. Or something like that

In terms of punishment expect a minimum of 4 points if the bench are in a good mood and you are plausible, or 6 if they/you are not. In terms of fine depending on the points tally, between £75 and £400, probably around £ 125.00

Its nothing to be frightened of, just be meek and all will be well.
 

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Thanks for all you advice guys, I honestly really appreciate it.
Just had the worst nights sleep of my life.
 

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QUOTE(Enceladus @ 19 Jan 2010, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I got 3 points and a £60 fine but that was for 98mph in a 70


Luckily the traffic cop was in a good mood and drove a astra VXR so understood just how easy it is to hit those speeds in an ST.

I've been a good boy since though.
thats a touch ant it, i got court and 96mph in a 70 i got 4 points and £290 fine not so long ago been a good boy since lol
 
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