Any Help?hid Xenon Bulbs Cant Be Clipped Into H7 Housing

QUOTE(martine @ 30 Nov 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OK but still stupid because....

...different loading in the car could make the headlight tilt upwards and still blind other drivers...that's the point of the self-leveling.

The headlight washers are a legal requirement for Xenons as well (to help stop dirty headlights causing diffraction) but to be honest I don't reckon the ST ones are actually very effective.

It's not just different loading either.

Xenons / HIDs are so much brighter than standard lights, dazzle angles that are acceptable with normal lights are just blinding with them.

A lot of local roads are quite roller-coaster-ey (it's a word, look it up), and it's really obvious in oncoming traffic as to who's got what lights. The factory fit xenons look really white, but flicker slightly as they try to keep the beam on the road, whereas the chav HID kits look virtually blue and blind you with every single dip and pothole. Not cool.

If you've not got the auto-levelling, please don't fit HIDs as it's just a pain in the ar*e for other drivers. You may think the pattern is correct, but the minute you go over a bump, up a hill or have more than a couple of passengers, you'll be making a proper nuisance of yourself.

Rubbish, the hid's only tilt based on wieght in the car not bumps on the road, it is the movement of the car over they bumps that makes them appear to flash. Have a look at the next one that goes over a speed bump

Also on my mates standard 55 plate Focus they have auto leveling on his holgen lights, I thought it was weired but hey a good idea as all cars are a pain when loaded and the lights not lowered.

HID's fitted as standard can still dazel, they are a real pain when behind me in the Elise, Audis and Vw's are the worse, they light up the car and I have to tilt the mirror to the floor to enable me to see- I get them back though with my after market HID'S (that is a joke)

Before we start worrying about correctly adjusted after market HID's lets ban front fog lights.

QUOTE(Dennis @ 1 Dec 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Rubbish, the hid's only tilt based on wieght in the car not bumps on the road, it is the movement of the car over they bumps that makes them appear to flash. Have a look at the next one that goes over a speed bump

Also on my mates standard 55 plate Focus they have auto leveling on his holgen lights, I thought it was weired but hey a good idea as all cars are a pain when loaded and the lights not lowered.

HID's fitted as standard can still dazel, they are a real pain when behind me in the Elise, Audis and Vw's are the worse, they light up the car and I have to tilt the mirror to the floor to enable me to see- I get them back though with my after market HID'S (that is a joke)

Before we start worrying about correctly adjusted after market HID's lets ban front fog lights.

Have you noticed the recent trend of the idiots just having their sidelights on at night with foglights on? I don't know why people feel the need to advertise that they have foglights.... Mine have been on once just to see if they worked.... They did work, so I turned them back off again...

Chris

QUOTE(Dennis @ 1 Dec 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Rubbish, the hid's only tilt based on wieght in the car not bumps on the road, it is the movement of the car over they bumps that makes them appear to flash. Have a look at the next one that goes over a speed bump

Also on my mates standard 55 plate Focus they have auto leveling on his holgen lights, I thought it was weired but hey a good idea as all cars are a pain when loaded and the lights not lowered.

HID's fitted as standard can still dazel, they are a real pain when behind me in the Elise, Audis and Vw's are the worse, they light up the car and I have to tilt the mirror to the floor to enable me to see- I get them back though with my after market HID'S (that is a joke)

Before we start worrying about correctly adjusted after market HID's lets ban front fog lights.

I stand corrected then, but my observation still stands in that cars with factory fit HIDs don't seem to blind me half as often as the obvious after-market kits (bright blue HIDs on 15 year old hatchbacks). Maybe it's just the mix of cars I tend to see day to day.

Is it too much to ask for people to use HIDs AND fog lights correctly...?

Driving an Elise, surely it's impossible NOT to dazzle you at that height?

Again this is strictly not correct, cars that can not carry a load over a certain weight (can't remember what it is) displaying a sign in the boot to confirming this do not need self leveling lights as the cars stance and therefoe light angle will not be effected (some lotus boys looked into this and thye don't have a boot, to talk of anyway )

Oh razzleultra, your not wrong most things do dazzel down here

QUOTE(Dennis @ 1 Dec 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Rubbish, the hid's only tilt based on wieght in the car not bumps on the road, it is the movement of the car over they bumps that makes them appear to flash. Have a look at the next one that goes over a speed bump

Also on my mates standard 55 plate Focus they have auto leveling on his holgen lights, I thought it was weired but hey a good idea as all cars are a pain when loaded and the lights not lowered.

HID's fitted as standard can still dazel, they are a real pain when behind me in the Elise, Audis and Vw's are the worse, they light up the car and I have to tilt the mirror to the floor to enable me to see- I get them back though with my after market HID'S (that is a joke)

Before we start worrying about correctly adjusted after market HID's lets ban front fog lights.

this isnt true, when i go up the kurb to park outside my house i watch the light beam on the wall and goes down slightly, when i bump down the kurb it goes back up...

QUOTE(goonturbo @ 3 Dec 2009, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Its amazing how quiet people are about de cat pipes getting fitted even though they are illegal and help to pollute the world...

I think you'll find that some of us are equally vocal about decats...

QUOTE(Dennis @ 3 Dec 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Again this is strictly not correct, cars that can not carry a load over a certain weight (can't remember what it is) displaying a sign in the boot to confirming this do not need self leveling lights as the cars stance and therefoe light angle will not be effected (some lotus boys looked into this and thye don't have a boot, to talk of anyway )

Oh razzleultra, your not wrong most things do dazzel down here

Any car with XENON headlamps must have washers and self-levelling fitted by law. It is correct trust me.

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From the Department of Transport Technology & Standards
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR

I want to add I'm not bothered whether he fits them or not, but feel that people should be informed of the legalitys.

Hey guys i didnt fit them afterall