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I thought this got closed down and it's back to going around in circles...

Look at all the unreliable mk2's.

I would guess there's a much larger quantity of mk2's in the wild than MK3 rs'. Also I have a feeling the mk2's are a little bit older so materials have deteriorated somewhat regardless of anything. Also I'm pretty sure a lot of the mk2's have been pushed further than its original power and ran reliably like that.

I'm pretty sure no one has said the MK3 is definitely going to blow up but there's certainly it's fair share of failures especially when you remember it's more of a niche than the st.

Look at all the block mod companies... Look at the increasing number of poor block mod stories. People jump on the band wagon and there's still no definitive proof the block mod prevents the cracked liners. Which is a known problem and yet there's still probably thousands of cars driven around happily by owners who don't even know such a thing exists.

I'm pretty sure the mk2 rs was front wheel drive to be fun and the MK3 is 4 wheel drive to be competent.

It's the same story as the old mk2 st Vs equivalent R32 golf (from memory).
The golf is better. But it's boring with its competency get the st.
At least in my and many opinions. Others prefer the golf because it's so competent.

What's the difference? MK3 rs is a beast. If it's your type of animal is personal preference. And the engine like all has problems. Maybe a higher ratio than the 2.0. it's still not really got the years or miles for definitive data. At least that I've seen any ones collected.
Personally all direct injections scare me since my experience of early ones. It's better but has a whole host of problems older cars didn't have.

Not heard of many issues with the new st? Not paid much attention to be fair but maybe that's a sign that ford realised there was problems and fixed them- and rs' will be repaired with such parts as and when at the owners cost.

Or as they age we'll hear similar stories.
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At the end of the day we all have our own theory and preferences on what we like ...
I'll never go further than a Mk 2 Simply because there a great car to work on and drive
I respect the Mk 3 presence and they get a lot of love ...granted . Some people like newness and better comfort ...I understand that .
But for me coming from old skool it's about drivability and fun factor ....and The Mk 2 just stands out to me .
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And how many havent failed? How many broken mk2s are in BD, a never ending stream of them!!! They are obviously far far less reliable if that is the evidence. Loads of other mk2 specialists repairing them on a daily basis too making livings out if block mods etc, loads of them. But lets just ignore that !
Ok its only a mk3 RS thing, if you want to be convinced it is a design thing. Im not. And Mazda turbo charged this engine in its early days many years ago. Admittedly, it is only the Mazda L block with a Ford Head.
How many of these few cars are post head gasket repair failures ? Im guessing all. How many are post mid 2017 cars, Im guessing none. All just a guess. Too many of these head gasket repairs were poor quality and earlier ones recognised by Ford as needing a new updated procedure. Plus some slipped through the net that had associated head and block distortion. But the vast majority of the repaired engines are fine. The 2.3 has a lot of strengthening and improvements in its design over the 2.0. It just helps if its built with the correct parts. And not tuned any further than 275 hp as Ford engineers quoted as its reliable limit.


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I might be missing something, are we comparing Mk.2 ST's to Mk.3 RS's??

To me that is like comparing Joanna Lumley to Holly Willoughby in bed??!!

I dont hear of many cracked liners in Mk.2 RS.

To me the Mk.3 ST is a really capable car, much nicer place to sit and with all the buttons and gizmos it is like driving the space shuttle. Personal opinion, but it just misses the rawness and neanderthal mannerisms of the Mk.2 ST.

I would compare the Mk.2 ST to Apollo 13, things always going wrong, but will come good in the end.

As for an RS, yes please, I don't give a toss which one, but quite telling when a Mk.2 is just as expensive as a Mk.3.
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Just as a reminder, this thread is not about Mk2 v Mk3.

The OP simply said he drove the Mk3 RS and was underwhelmed when comparing with a Mk3 ST.


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Just as a reminder, this thread is not about Mk2 v Mk3.
The OP simply said he drove the Mk3 RS and was underwhelmed when comparing with a Mk3 ST.


Thing is you know as well as anybody Once someone mentions the opposite it kind of escalates into a debate ...but then I thought the Name of the club had Focus in it ...lol
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@Mart1976 Well said mate 👍
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Thing is you know as well as anybody Once someone mentions the opposite it kind of escalates into a debate ...but then I thought the Name of the club had Focus in it ...lol


Love that old skool Cockney humour....but as you said earlier, its about what you want your drive to be like, what you're like a person, whether you prefer the styling, front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, 4 wheel drive etc...and at the end of the day, what you can ultimately afford.

One of my mates likes VAG group cars, he has an A4 1.8T quattro on, one mate loves Jap stuff and has a 350Z and one mate is a Vauxhall man to the core and has a rather nice MK4 Astra GSi and then me with the ST. We can never agree who has the best car out of us. (I know its me)

We all love cars but would be boring if we all liked the same type.

We do however, all agree that with all this EV boom nonsense that's going on, new cars have lost something?
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New cars have lost something even without the ev's.

Maybe the mk3 rs will be remembered as something special as time pass and rose tinted glasses go on.

When everyone's driving around in electric, "do you remember the MK3 rs? Pops and bangs for the laughs of it, 350hp from the factory. Easily tuned to about 400. Handled like a monster on track."
"Yea but it couldn't complete with a xyzEV"
"No but the noises it made and the character of an engine. It was just more fun in it's own way"
And most people wouldn't understand why a car that makes noise would be desirable...

Ford make good cars, and I do think the rs has tried to hit every mark a petrol head probably wants. It was never going to be perfect for everyone but it is a good car
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Guarantee in 40 years time Ill be like Fred Dibnah driving my totally un-automated petrol engine along a heritage preserved motorway like:
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............with all this EV boom nonsense that's going on, new cars have lost something?

 

Like the petrol engine................................. :whistle:


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Indeed....and character.
They just all look the same now.
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Love that old skool Cockney humour....but as you said earlier, its about what you want your drive to be like, what you're like a person, whether you prefer the styling, front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, 4 wheel drive etc...and at the end of the day, what you can ultimately afford.

One of my mates likes VAG group cars, he has an A4 1.8T quattro on, one mate loves Jap stuff and has a 350Z and one mate is a Vauxhall man to the core and has a rather nice MK4 Astra GSi and then me with the ST. We can never agree who has the best car out of us. (I know its me)

We all love cars but would be boring if we all liked the same type.

We do however, all agree that with all this EV boom nonsense that's going on, new cars have lost something?

One things for sure, it aint gonna be a poxy Vauxhall. 🤮
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Indeed....and character.
They just all look the same now.


A FL Mk.2 looks like any other Mk.2 FL focus if I am honest. It is only when you are close up, you can see the differences.

The PFL ones look a lot different to other focus of their time.
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A FL Mk.2 looks like any other Mk.2 FL focus if I am honest. It is only when you are close up, you can see the differences.
The PFL ones look a lot different to other focus of their time.


I agree with that somewhat, but I think it depends on the colour with the FL alot too, EO & PB are ST specific colours which you wouldn't find on a 1.6 Zetec.

The PFL ST looks completely different to a normal Focus in any colour so I suppose they are more distinguishable.
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